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We got the Toyota PR blues!

Today brought a couple things on the Toyota front. The first item on the Toyota uncommanded acceleration news front is Yesterday's rather harrowing ride down California's I-8 in yet another runaway Toyota. According to multiple news reports, this one required help from the California State Patrol to get the car stopped. Why the driver didn't drop the car into neutral, I'll never know.

The second was an opportunity to watch Toyota's live press conference and webcast. That was some interesting TV. Anyone watching learned the basics of Toyota's fly-by-wire throttle control system. At least the part of it that involves human input.

However the main focus of the presentation is an attempt to shoot down an experiment by Professor David Gilbert. Gilbert demonstrated that under a fairly narrow set of specific circumstances an uncommanded acceleration can take place.  A pedal-to-the-metal acceleration that occurs without setting a fault code in the computer or generating a "failsafe" shut down. In fact 90% of this presentation was all about smacking Gilbert across the nose with a rolled up news paper.

Toyota's presentation emphasized to a fault that Professor David Gilbert "re-engineered" the circuit. That he rewired the harness to introduce that fault condition.

That he did.

Toyota engineers and spokespeople stressed many times that trial lawyers suing Toyota are paying Gilbert to discover and perform that trick.

That they are.

Everyone at Toyota repeated many times, even while giving us a live demonstration of Gilbert's magic trick, the conditions that Gilbert set up creating a faultless unintended acceleration required, at the least, a wild combination of cascading events in the correct sequence.

They are right.

But Gilbert did demonstrate in an easily reproducible manner that it is possible to get an uncommanded full throttle acceleration while the computer thinks everything is just dandy. Something that Toyota said could not occur under any circumstances until Gilbert did his resistor trick.

There were some things missing from the Toyota presentation. It would have been interesting to see the computer module itself and the position of those wires in the computer connector. A look at the insides of one of those computer modules to follow the traces from the dual throttle sending wires would be enlightening to electron pushers like myself.

Even more interesting would be to look at the part no one seems to be talking about. That is the driver circuitry and electromechanical linkage that opens and closes the butterfly valve at the engine air intake. Some discussion as to how the computer knows where the butterfly is positioned would have been interesting.

Roughly two minutes were dedicated to praising the software that runs the computer that runs the car. But nothing was said about any code that gives the brake absolute override over the rest of the system. There is something that common sense says should be in every fly-by-wire ground vehicle.

It is a given that that Toyota engineers are looking at all of this and things I haven't even dreamed of. There are far wiser people then myself putting in some long hours on this problem right now as you read this. Toyota wants the problem indentified and fixed. This is as it should be. But if yesterday's Prius event turns out to be the real deal, Toyota has even more serious problems then they thought.

Doing the PR version of dropping a safe on Gilbert's head isn't going to fix it.


I hooked up my accelerator pedal in my car to my brake lights. I hit the gas, people behind me stop, and I'm gone.
Steven Wright

Published 03-10-2010 0:05 by TVNews
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# re: We got the Toyota PR blues!@ Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:44 AM

This Toyota dust-up is beginning to rival the American manufacturer's woes from years gone by...Remember the "Pinto" exploding gas tanks and the GMC truck's gas tanks catching fire when the vehicle was hit from the side? What goes around comes around, I'd say. Welcome to the wonderful world of government oversight [aka] interference! Thank goodness we still live in this free country and no one ever need buy another Toyota, or Pinto, or GMC truck...Just sayin'. Ha ha!

by Libby

# re: We got the Toyota PR blues!@ Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:19 AM

Libby, you are finally getting how free enterprise works. Toyota is going to have to fix this regardless of the United States government. They will either fix it or the US division is finished.

This will occur because the US public won't buy them anymore. It will occur because the law suits will make them unprofitable here.

Anything the government does will just be saber rattling. Nothing more then window dressing just to remind the constituents they are her for them.

by TVNews

# re: We got the Toyota PR blues!@ Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:31 AM

In a sense, Libby is right that Toyota's problems parallel Ford's and GM's in that all were caused by complacency at the highest company levels.  Ford invented modern mass manufacturing and GM and Toyota gained their reputation on quality, yet all three took the customer for granted and their product suffered.

# re: We got the Toyota PR blues!@ Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:53 AM

There is something to the exploding Pinto thing. The gas tank position and location was vulnerable, especially to vehicles with low front ends.

The Ford truck gas tank thing was manufactured by trial lawyers and NBC news. The crew shooting the story rigged the truck to catch fire on cue using a model rocket engine and ignitor. That piece was the end of that NBC news magazine and a dozen careers. I think Ford ended up collecting a seven or eight digit check over that one too.

But my point was aimed at Libby's desire for more government control and intervention. she wants big brother looking out for all of us.

That fact is the government did legitimately enter the game through the Federal Highway Safety Administration. The Consumer Product Safety Commission could have legitimately joined the game as well.

I think that is enough.

by TVNews

# re: We got the Toyota PR blues!@ Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:53 AM

I agree that federal regulation rarely strikes the right tone -- they either ignore real problems or carve out exemptions for their paymasters.  The only thing worse is when Congress decides that we need a new law.

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